Comments on: Graded Browser Support: Updated A-Grade Chart http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/ The official blog of the YUI Project. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:46:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Graded Browser Support Update: Q1 2010 » Yahoo! User Interface Blog (YUIBlog) http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-588298 Graded Browser Support Update: Q1 2010 » Yahoo! User Interface Blog (YUIBlog) Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:44:59 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-588298 [...] GBS Update, 2008-02-19 [...] [...] GBS Update, 2008-02-19 [...]

]]> By: Samuel Cochran http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-411042 Samuel Cochran Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:30:26 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-411042 How long until we see Firefox 3 and Safari 3.1 for Windows on this list? How long until we see Firefox 3 and Safari 3.1 for Windows on this list?

]]> By: Nate Koechley http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-323915 Nate Koechley Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:01:33 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-323915 Quick clarification: By trust I mean that followers of GBS are trusted to test on all A-Grade platforms. Therefore GBS strengthens itself when it makes A-Grade testing more feasible, and weakens itself when it makes A-Grade testing less feasible (and/or likely). Striking this balance is one of many factors in determining the A-Grade membership. Quick clarification: By trust I mean that followers of GBS are trusted to test on all A-Grade platforms. Therefore GBS strengthens itself when it makes A-Grade testing more feasible, and weakens itself when it makes A-Grade testing less feasible (and/or likely).

Striking this balance is one of many factors in determining the A-Grade membership.

]]> By: Nate Koechley http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-323898 Nate Koechley Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:44:57 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-323898 Hey David-Sarah Hopwood, The concept of A-Grade Support is predicated on trust. Perhaps the most important part of the definition of A-Grade support is that our developers and testers "actively test against A-grade browsers."[1] Put another way, part of the value of GBS is that it "enables meaningful, targeted, and cost-effective QA testing." [2] Each new combination of browser/platform that receives A-Grade support is expensive because it requires time and materials to test, and development time to support. The decision to offer A-Grade support is based on many factors concrete and abstract. Lack of A-Grade support does not indicate anything about a browser (other than that it does not enjoy A-Grade support). To conclude that Browser Foo and Browser Bar render "closely enough to avoid testing" because Browser Foo receives A-Grade support is not valid. Thanks, Nate [1] http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/#a-grade-vs-x-grade [2] http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/#testing Hey David-Sarah Hopwood,

The concept of A-Grade Support is predicated on trust. Perhaps the most important part of the definition of A-Grade support is that our developers and testers “actively test against A-grade browsers.”[1] Put another way, part of the value of GBS is that it “enables meaningful, targeted, and cost-effective QA testing.” [2]

Each new combination of browser/platform that receives A-Grade support is expensive because it requires time and materials to test, and development time to support.

The decision to offer A-Grade support is based on many factors concrete and abstract.

Lack of A-Grade support does not indicate anything about a browser (other than that it does not enjoy A-Grade support). To conclude that Browser Foo and Browser Bar render “closely enough to avoid testing” because Browser Foo receives A-Grade support is not valid.

Thanks,
Nate

[1] http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/#a-grade-vs-x-grade
[2] http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/#testing

]]> By: David-Sarah Hopwood http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-323883 David-Sarah Hopwood Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:45:27 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-323883 The lack of A-grade support for *any* browser on any non-Mac Unix is bizarre. For example, a Gecko-based browser can't be assumed to behave in precisely the same way on Linux as it does on Windows and Mac, or even closely enough to avoid testing. The lack of A-grade support for *any* browser on any non-Mac Unix is bizarre. For example, a Gecko-based browser can’t be assumed to behave in precisely the same way on Linux as it does on Windows and Mac, or even closely enough to avoid testing.

]]> By: Administrator http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-316665 Administrator Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:55:57 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-316665 @Jim, That is a good example of a browser that receives X-Grade support. Thanks, Nate @Jim,

That is a good example of a browser that receives X-Grade support.

Thanks,
Nate

]]> By: Jim Manico http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-316460 Jim Manico Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:32:01 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-316460 Do you have any information as to what level of support YUI receives on Ubuntu/FireFox 2.0.x? Do you have any information as to what level of support YUI receives on Ubuntu/FireFox 2.0.x?

]]> By: Nate Koechley http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-312880 Nate Koechley Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:52:37 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-312880 Bart, GBS does not "shut out." Graded Browser Support provides X-Grade support to Camino, Flock, and SeaMonkey, as well as Maxthon, Bento, IceWeasel, K-Meleon, iCab, Konqueror, Shiira and over 10,000 others. As the <a href="http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/#x-grade" rel="nofollow">GBS documentation points out</a>, "The only practical difference between A and X-grade browsers is that <abbr title="Quality Assurance">QA</abbr> actively tests against A-grade browsers." I believe this is the right approach because it allows us to serve the full experience to all non-C-grade browsers while still conducting structured and rigorous QA testing. As I wrote at the start of GBS's definition, "in modern web development we must support all browsers. Choosing to exclude a segment of users is inappropriate, and, with a 'Graded Browser Support' strategy, unnecessary." Based on your comment, I suspect you agree. I welcome any feedback you have on <a href="http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/#x-grade" rel="nofollow">the full GBS strategy</a>. David, Thanks for the blog post and the comment! Thanks, Nate Bart,

GBS does not “shut out.” Graded Browser Support provides X-Grade support to Camino, Flock, and SeaMonkey, as well as Maxthon, Bento, IceWeasel, K-Meleon, iCab, Konqueror, Shiira and over 10,000 others.

As the GBS documentation points out, “The only practical difference between A and X-grade browsers is that QA actively tests against A-grade browsers.” I believe this is the right approach because it allows us to serve the full experience to all non-C-grade browsers while still conducting structured and rigorous QA testing.

As I wrote at the start of GBS’s definition, “in modern web development we must support all browsers. Choosing to exclude a segment of users is inappropriate, and, with a ‘Graded Browser Support’ strategy, unnecessary.” Based on your comment, I suspect you agree.

I welcome any feedback you have on the full GBS strategy.

David,

Thanks for the blog post and the comment!

Thanks,
Nate

]]> By: Bart http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-312751 Bart Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:18:14 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-312751 Gaah! Don't support browsers: support rendering engines! It's so frustrating that SeaMonkey and Camino and Flock and all other Gecko based browsers like that, which have _exactly_ the same capabilities as Firefox, continuously get ignored and actively shut out. <a href="http://geckoisgecko.org/" rel="nofollow">Gecko is Gecko!</a> Gaah! Don’t support browsers: support rendering engines! It’s so frustrating that SeaMonkey and Camino and Flock and all other Gecko based browsers like that, which have _exactly_ the same capabilities as Firefox, continuously get ignored and actively shut out.
Gecko is Gecko!

]]> By: David http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/comment-page-1/#comment-311439 David Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:30:49 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/02/19/gbs-update-20080219/#comment-311439 I was very happy to see Safari 2 come off your support chart.... so happy, I felt obliged to blog about - and I am the most <em>infrequent</em> of bloggers! I use the YUI A-Grade Chart to help draw a cut-off point for the browsers I support in my web design projects... and frankly, I've been wondering <strong>when</strong> you were going to update to Safari 3. Ever since Safari 3 was released, I kept hinting to clients and colleagues that we could let support for Safari 2 slide b/c Mac users are fast to upgrade. But I didn't feel comfortable really sticking to that declaration... until now. More on those <a href="http://www.luispunchy.com/2008/02/safari-3-graded-browser-support/" rel="nofollow">thoughts</a>... I was very happy to see Safari 2 come off your support chart…. so happy, I felt obliged to blog about – and I am the most infrequent of bloggers!

I use the YUI A-Grade Chart to help draw a cut-off point for the browsers I support in my web design projects… and frankly, I’ve been wondering when you were going to update to Safari 3.

Ever since Safari 3 was released, I kept hinting to clients and colleagues that we could let support for Safari 2 slide b/c Mac users are fast to upgrade. But I didn’t feel comfortable really sticking to that declaration… until now.

More on those thoughts…

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