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		<title>By: kabonfootprint</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-462612</link>
		<dc:creator>kabonfootprint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more time that is spent dissecting, analyzing, and critiquing a design by the wrong kinds of people the worse that design gets.  The same trend applies to the number of people involved in the design process.
Thx a lot for infomation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more time that is spent dissecting, analyzing, and critiquing a design by the wrong kinds of people the worse that design gets.  The same trend applies to the number of people involved in the design process.<br />
Thx a lot for infomation!</p>
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		<title>By: Yahoo! Design Patterns and User Interface Libraries &#124; iface thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-215783</link>
		<dc:creator>Yahoo! Design Patterns and User Interface Libraries &#124; iface thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] find more information about them on the Yahoo! UI blog, especially the posts Yahoo! UI Library and Yahoo! Design Patterns Library. You can also subscribe to the Yahoo! Developer Network mailing list for further [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] find more information about them on the Yahoo! UI blog, especially the posts Yahoo! UI Library and Yahoo! Design Patterns Library. You can also subscribe to the Yahoo! Developer Network mailing list for further [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deakialli DocuMental &#187; Blog Archive Design pattern de Yahoo en abierto &#187; Deakialli DocuMental</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-128497</link>
		<dc:creator>Deakialli DocuMental &#187; Blog Archive Design pattern de Yahoo en abierto &#187; Deakialli DocuMental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 16:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Actualización: Para los interesados en los patrones, han abierto un grupo de discusión en yahoo groups:Yahoo! Design Pattern Discussion Group (via yuiblog) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Actualización: Para los interesados en los patrones, han abierto un grupo de discusión en yahoo groups:Yahoo! Design Pattern Discussion Group (via yuiblog) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: magneta</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-4891</link>
		<dc:creator>magneta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work, the design is realy good, best regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work, the design is realy good, best regards</p>
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		<title>By: Yahoo Releases its User Interface Library - The Web Standards Project</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>Yahoo Releases its User Interface Library - The Web Standards Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 07:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s a busy day over at the Yahoo Developer Network. Nate Koechley has written a detailed and insightful look at Yahoo&#8217;s Graded Browser Support. At the same time, Yahoo have released their design patterns library under a Creative Commons attribution license &#8212; these design patterns should dovetail nicely with microformats and John Allsopp&#8217;s work on Web Patterns. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s a busy day over at the Yahoo Developer Network. Nate Koechley has written a detailed and insightful look at Yahoo&#8217;s Graded Browser Support. At the same time, Yahoo have released their design patterns library under a Creative Commons attribution license &#8212; these design patterns should dovetail nicely with microformats and John Allsopp&#8217;s work on Web Patterns. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Yang</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great job,guys. Yahoo! is really a good boy.

one step of Yahoo!,great move of human being.:)

in my humble opinion, why not go one step further?
i just mean that why not pulish more patterns to public immediately,since that the patterns released is just tiny part of the internal library.

anyway,great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great job,guys. Yahoo! is really a good boy.</p>
<p>one step of Yahoo!,great move of human being.:)</p>
<p>in my humble opinion, why not go one step further?<br />
i just mean that why not pulish more patterns to public immediately,since that the patterns released is just tiny part of the internal library.</p>
<p>anyway,great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion.  Kudos to ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion.  Kudos to ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Scoular</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Scoular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Just a plea for better version control... we seem
to have people providing patches to yui but nowhere
can I find a list of versions. In order for the
community to help enhance and understand the state
of yui there really needs to be something like
svn.mythtv.org/trac/ or at least a
browsable CVS repository.

Just my 2 cents... for such beautiful code it
seems a shame there isn&#039;t an obvious version
tracking repository... maybe there is but I
couldn&#039;t find it.

Cheers,

Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Just a plea for better version control&#8230; we seem<br />
to have people providing patches to yui but nowhere<br />
can I find a list of versions. In order for the<br />
community to help enhance and understand the state<br />
of yui there really needs to be something like<br />
svn.mythtv.org/trac/ or at least a<br />
browsable CVS repository.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents&#8230; for such beautiful code it<br />
seems a shame there isn&#8217;t an obvious version<br />
tracking repository&#8230; maybe there is but I<br />
couldn&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Doug</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I agree with your assessment. The original desire was to release the pattern library with commenting built into each pattern page. In fact that is the way the internal Yahoo! Pattern Library is designed. However, we did not have time to implement a commenting system or install/configure a content management system like Drupal in time for our release.

There is a down side to the commenting within a pattern, however. I have seen this happen internally. Once you get several comments it is no different than the comments being on a blog article. The same issues about threading, etc. arise. And it is also vunerable to spam as well.

I think in the next push of the library we will create a link on each pattern page that take you to a thread for the given pattern.

On the placement of the &quot;post a comment&quot;... We use wordpress and this is the way comments are handled. Not sure it can be changed. I did a quick survey of the most popular blogs and they do commenting the same way. The idea is that you generally comment on an article after reading the comments about an article. I will look into how feasible a quick jump style link would be to add.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I agree with your assessment. The original desire was to release the pattern library with commenting built into each pattern page. In fact that is the way the internal Yahoo! Pattern Library is designed. However, we did not have time to implement a commenting system or install/configure a content management system like Drupal in time for our release.</p>
<p>There is a down side to the commenting within a pattern, however. I have seen this happen internally. Once you get several comments it is no different than the comments being on a blog article. The same issues about threading, etc. arise. And it is also vunerable to spam as well.</p>
<p>I think in the next push of the library we will create a link on each pattern page that take you to a thread for the given pattern.</p>
<p>On the placement of the &#8220;post a comment&#8221;&#8230; We use wordpress and this is the way comments are handled. Not sure it can be changed. I did a quick survey of the most popular blogs and they do commenting the same way. The idea is that you generally comment on an article after reading the comments about an article. I will look into how feasible a quick jump style link would be to add.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: James McKinney</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2006/02/13/yahoo_patterns_released/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>James McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;d be better to integrate feedback directly into the patterns website than to rely on comments on a weblog. The problem with weblog posts is that after a few weeks, no one reads the comments (or the comments get spammed). Also, comments are not a very good way to encourage discussion (compare with message boards or mailing lists), because it&#039;s a lot of work just to find out who&#039;s replying to you and who&#039;s starting a new topic (the pingbacks also get in the way). Besides, you&#039;ll get much more feedback if you allow users to more easily discuss with each other (I know there&#039;s a Yahoo! group, but the blog should strive to be just as friendly to discussion).



In any case, forcing users to follow a link from the patterns website to a weblog and to scroll all the way down to write some feedback adds unnecessary obstacles. To get the most feedback, you need to get out of the user&#039;s way.


Lastly, please put a link to &quot;post a comment&quot; at the end of the article: most people want to comment after having read the story, not before :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;d be better to integrate feedback directly into the patterns website than to rely on comments on a weblog. The problem with weblog posts is that after a few weeks, no one reads the comments (or the comments get spammed). Also, comments are not a very good way to encourage discussion (compare with message boards or mailing lists), because it&#8217;s a lot of work just to find out who&#8217;s replying to you and who&#8217;s starting a new topic (the pingbacks also get in the way). Besides, you&#8217;ll get much more feedback if you allow users to more easily discuss with each other (I know there&#8217;s a Yahoo! group, but the blog should strive to be just as friendly to discussion).</p>
<p>In any case, forcing users to follow a link from the patterns website to a weblog and to scroll all the way down to write some feedback adds unnecessary obstacles. To get the most feedback, you need to get out of the user&#8217;s way.</p>
<p>Lastly, please put a link to &#8220;post a comment&#8221; at the end of the article: most people want to comment after having read the story, not before :)</p>
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